Episode 44: Marilyn Jansen: The Food of Our Lives
Transcript
Patsy: Hi, I’m Patsy Clairmont, and I’m a Boomer.
Andrew: And I’m Andrew Greer, and I’m a Millennial.
Patsy: And you are listening to Bridges.
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Patsy: I’m excited. We’re having a friend in. Is she coming for lunch?
Andrew: Well, kind of. She is bringing to us a full spread of information that is really wonderful and is applicable to her new book, Come Sit a Spell: An Invitation to Reflect on Faith, Food, and Family, and her name is Marilyn Jansen.
I am hungry.
Patsy: I am hungry as well, and I happen to know she can put on a feast. And it’s not only a feast for the tummy; it’s a feast for the eyes because the book is delicious looking, full of photography, her own.
Andrew: That’s right. And even full of food for the soul. She includes a lot of incredible stories from growing up on a farm, how those apply practically to her life but also to her spiritual life, and there’s a bunch of yummy recipes we’re gonna talk about too. But Marilyn is a delight. She has been an editor for both of us on some books that we have written, so we have known her a long time. You’ll hear about a poetry class that we were a part of that Patsy made us attend.
Patsy: She’s an Ozark girl, Missouri, and so you know she has some insight on cooking up some good food.
Patsy: I’m gonna tell you about a bridge, and actually, it’s two bridges. It’s the Swinging Bridges at Bromley, and that’s at the lake of the Ozarks, which ties us into our guest.
Andrew: Oh, it sure does.
Patsy: And I was taking a little ride across those bridges via a video, and it was frightening because they do swing as you drive.
Andrew: I would probably say exciting.
Patsy: You would love these bridges.
Marilyn: I would too.
Patsy: They’re not very wide, they are on cables, and they swing, and they are rickety on the bottom, and so those rickety pieces of board are slapping your tires as you go across. May I just say no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because that’s not my kind of adventure.
Andrew: Some people feel that way about my talking.
Patsy: I love to do an adventure into a cookbook. That would please me. I love the adventure of going into stories of other people, and the bridge I just built from the pictures that I saw was so I could tell you about our guest today.
I’ll tell you one of the reasons I love this title is because my kinfolk said this all the time, and it is “come sit a spell,” and they’d have some rocking chairs. They’d also have some beans from the garden, and you didn’t just sit without having busywork for your hands. But this is by Marilyn Jansen, and I’ve known Marilyn for a while. She’s a delight, and I can’t wait for you to get to know her.
Andrew: Hi Marilyn.
Marilyn: Hi
Andrew: Let’s first, before we go too far, let’s first introduce how we got introduced to each other. Now, I don’t know the story of you and Patsy, but all three of us were collected at the same time as a part of one of Patsy’s poetry classes.
Marilyn: Yes
Andrew: Just to be clear, Patsy had invited each of us kind of individually. We were at different walks of our life. You had had an editor experience with her; I had an editor experience with you. She had said, “Why don’t y’all come to my poetry class?” I use class loosely. You had a group of friends or colleagues or people you knew here in the area come for poetry for some guided prompts and stuff, and I said, “No way.”
Marilyn: I said yes.
Andrew: See, Marilyn’s always up for the adventure. But I don’t like poetry.
Patsy told me, in no certain terms–
Patsy: Actually, you do like poetry because he’s a songwriter. Of course, he likes poetry.
Marilyn: Of course
Andrew: And so I found my way. And Marilyn and I, we broke up into groups. Do you remember, Patsy? You broke us up into groups, and Marilyn and I were in a group together before we actually worked on a book together. So we go way back into really close quarters and fun times with you, Marilyn. Thanks for being here today.
Marilyn: You’re welcome. Thanks for having me.
Andrew: Okay, so let’s talk about the book, Come Sit a Spell. It’s beautifully designed. Patsy will probably talk some about that. But the subtitle — An Invitation to Reflect on Faith, Food, and Family — so my first question is why is food so important to the human experience?
Marilyn: I think that more than what it tastes like, which hopefully is yummy, is that you sit down with someone at a table, and that table sitting has been something that we’ve been doing since the Israelites. God had them build a table, and you came to the table, and that’s where you laid everything down and that’s where you had conversation and that’s where you got to know God. That’s where you got to know yourself really because that’s where you were giving your sacrifices and saying your apologies to God and all of that sort of thing.
So I think that the table, just coming around a table, is a very sacred kind of thing that has echoed into us up into present day, so that when you sit down across from someone — eyeball to eyeball, as my friends would say — you get to know them on a different level and you kind of see into their soul if you’re sitting there. And while you’re doing the eating, such a natural thing, it just kinda breaks down those barriers so you could be who you really are.
It’s also just the way that we serve each other. I say in the book, my grandma, she would have 12 different foods at least on the table and she always, “What do you want? Do you need something else? Do you need something else?” It was her way to show her love and to serve you, and I think that that is, I mean, there’s all of that tied up in there.
Plus, I’m a foodie, so everything I do has to be tied to food in some way.
“Table sitting has been something that we’ve been doing since the Israelites.”
Andrew: Your grandma was like a classic food pusher. That’s what I call it.
Marilyn: She was.
Andrew: I’m full, grandma. I’m full.
Marilyn: Yeah. ‘Cause when I was real tiny, we lived in the city, and we didn’t move into the country until I was 7- or 8-years-old. And when we’d go see grandma, the minute you walked in her door, it’s like, “Y’all need something to eat?” It’s like, “Yes. Yes. What do you have?” And there was always a pot of beans, always was a pot of beans, and some cornbread and sometimes a pineapple upside down cake and leftover biscuits and apple butter.
Patsy: Oh my goodness. You’re making me hungry, girl.
Andrew: We haven’t had lunch today, for you listening.
Marilyn: I’m so sorry.
Andrew: You know, you said that around the table we also get to know ourselves. I never really thought about that, but when someone asks a question… You know, because the table inspires conversation, and so you’re talking back and forth. You’re both asking and listening. But we don’t often exercise talking about ourselves in a conversational setting. I don’t always get the benefit of someone asking me a question, and when I hear what my response is, I learn something about myself. It’s kind of like classic counselor, right? Part of the beauty of counseling is you speak things out loud and then you hear them, and that helps you understand either something about yourself that you like or don’t like and want to change. So that’s interesting.
What have you learned about yourself from sitting down at the table eating with people?
Marilyn: Well, I’ve learned that I am an extrovert in how I process, so that I don’t really know what I think about something until I talk it out. So that I’ve learned from an early age around the table. I was the one who got the report cards that said she talks too much every year of my life.
Patsy: You too?
Marilyn: Yes. And so when I’d sit there and I’d start talking to… You know, my grandma would ask me questions or my Aunt Joan would ask me questions, and I would start answering them and go, Whoa, I didn’t realize I thought that. I didn’t realize I felt like that. But once it started coming out, I learned that, for one, I like to be the center of attention when I was little. I learned that I had a bigger giving heart and was more compassionate than I thought I was. I’m a very practical person, so that when someone would start talking about did you know that family were having hard times or whatever. And just that compassion that would well up in me, and I would immediately start thinking about what I can run down to them, because back then, we lived down gravel roads, so you didn’t bike because if you had a bicycle, you just got rocks from the wheels right in the middle of your back, or you go through a river and your bike’s gonna wash away. So you would run down the fields or whatever, so what can I take them? How can I help them? Can I take something to school for their kids tomorrow? And I didn’t realize that I was that kind of person until I started talking it out. And I think that that comes from being around my grandparents and my aunts and uncles–
Patsy: Who you surround yourself with, your tribe. We’ve been talking about that on several podcasts. We all need tribes because we learn from each other.
“We all need tribes because we learn from each other.”
Andrew: And food gives us a point of finding our community. I get invited to dinner, let’s say, with some people I’m maybe getting to know or met at church or met in the community. I live in a smaller community. My first response is, Ehh, not because I don’t love people but because it’s such an intimate setting to go to dinner with two people or three people or one person that you don’t know yet. It requires a little bit of vulnerability because we know we’re gonna talk. It’s like we instinctively know what the table is designed for, and it’s to get to know one another.
So it’s interesting how food provides — this is a show about bridges — food really is one of the ultimate bridges in our experience, because if that person just asks me to come have a conversation with them without the involvement of food, it feels very vulnerable. But with the involvement of food, it feels very natural.
Patsy: It makes it safer.
Marilyn: It is safer.
Patsy: And friendlier, especially if they bring the food and I don’t have to cook. Friends will say, “You wanna do dinner?” I’ll say, “Sure. You bring it. I’ve got the table we can put it on.”
Andrew: I applaud your method. This girl’s lived some life, learned.
Marilyn: Well, I mean, and in the country where I grew up, the first thing that you did if somebody had passed away, it’s like before I knew it grandma was putting something in our hands to take down to them. If somebody was sick, you took them food. If somebody had a baby, you took them food. I mean, it’s always that you’re taking them food.
And a lot of times that food is, especially if someone’s sick or has passed away, it’s how you sympathize with them without saying the wrong words, which a lot of times I have put my foot in my mouth trying to say the right thing, and so it’s better to go, “I’m sorry. Here’s food.”
Patsy: Here’s green beans.
Marilyn: Some cinnamon rolls. If you need anything else, I’m here.
Patsy: See, cinnamon rolls, you don’t need to say anything else.
Andrew: Just leave it on the front doorstep to be discovered, and you’re a winner.
I can’t handle all this conversation right now. We’ve gotta have some food somewhere. But we’re going to talk more about food, but we’re also going to talk more about the content of your new book, Come Sit a Spell, because it’s centered around food but as a way of learning some things about ourselves, others, and truths about God, and we want to dive into that.
So I’m Andrew, the hungry Millennial.
Patsy: And I am Patsy, the starving Boomer.
Andrew: We’ll be back.
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Patsy: Patsy’s artwork?
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Patsy: One of the things you’re going to love about Come Sit a Spell when you invest in this darling book is the photography. She’s got lovely stories and great recipes, and the way that the book has been put together is a visual delight. It is attractive, and all the photography has been done by Marilyn, which I think is amazing. And they’re things she uses all the time that she has incorporated in the photography, so it’s like inviting us into her kitchen.
Now, you have a lot of yummy recipes, but please talk to me about meatloaf cupcakes with mashed potato frosting or icing. I’m sorry. It went right over my head. I thought, Well, I can truly say I’ve never heard of that.
Marilyn: It was a way to make meatloaf attractive to my daughter. It did not work by the way. But we tried to make it attractive to her by making meatloaf into little cupcake shapes, and then we put the mashed potatoes into a piping bag and piped those on top.
Patsy: Smart
Marilyn: And then you just broil them so they’re a little bit brown and crispy on top, and they’re really yummy. That recipe is in the book.
But my daughter doesn’t eat ground meat at all. Never has. When she was a baby, I don’t know, 2-years-old, a year and a half old, where you start feeding them real food, and we’d give her spaghetti with meat sauce. That little rascal, she would save all of the ground beef in her cheeks until her cheeks got real puffy, like a chipmunk, and then when she was done eating, she would just spit all that out, just bend over and spit all that out.
Andrew: She’s serious about this.
Marilyn: Seriously. It wasn’t a choice that she made when she was old enough to–
Patsy: Reason it out.
Marilyn: Reason it out. It was just she just did not like that texture. She still doesn’t. But when she was in elementary school and she had two younger brothers who did like ground beef, I thought, Wow, let’s make it fun and attractive. She likes cupcakes, so let’s make some cupcakes. She liked the look of them, and then she put hers on her brother’s plate.
Andrew: She said, “No, thank you.”
Marilyn: No, no. It did not work.
Patsy: So it works for people who already like meatloaf.
Marilyn: It does.
Patsy: Now, you’ve got a recipe in there that is just one of my husband’s desired desserts, especially on his birthday, and that’s pineapple upside down cake.
Marilyn: That is a recipe that my grandma… I was in grandma’s kitchen. We lived just down the holler from grandma, so I was in her kitchen a lot. And that was what she made, but she would just make a one layer pineapple upside down cake, the traditional with the rings and the cherries because my grandpa liked it, so she would make that. And she always had beans going on in the background. You could always hear a little pressure cooker going. But that was just one of the things that she made on a regular basis.
Patsy: Now, did she make her– I’m skipping to your beans, her beans. Did she grow her own?
Marilyn: She had a huge garden. We all had a huge garden. I mean, we were the people that if you didn’t have a garden, if you didn’t pluck the chickens — if you read the book — if you didn’t butcher the hog, you didn’t eat. And so we were always, yes, doing the beans, breaking the beans, the green beans, snapping the beans. Yes, we did all of that.
But the brown beans, she always did pinto beans, the dark brown beans. She would buy them in the big thing and put them in a canister of some sort or a big…I don’t remember, but it was a big quantity of them. So everyday, everyday there was beans cooking everyday. And she put them in the pressure cooker. I mean, that is kind of the sound of her kitchen.
Andrew: It’s like the sound of always working, but it’s working for you. You know what I mean? It’s also the sound of– I feel like the sound of food, when food is cooking and being cooked and prepared, there is a certain security in that because it’s like we’ve been provided for. There’s a safe feeling when food is being prepared.
Tell me about the process of preparing the chicken. I read some of this. I want you to talk about it. One, what was your role from live chicken to casserole on the table, and talk about your grandma’s role.
Marilyn: Well, generally, we would get a big box of chickens every year. Grandma got a box, and we got a box.
Andrew: We’re talking live chickens, kids.
Marilyn: Live chickens. They would come in the mail in big cardboard boxes with little holes on the side so they wouldn’t die by the time they got there. And then they were real tiny, and so you’d put them somewhere on the back porch. She always put hers on the back porch, and you had a little light to keep them warm, and they ate their little chicken feed. And then when they got big enough, you put them out in the chicken house. In the fall, then you had to kill all these.
Andrew: Kill them — let’s just say it what it is. You gotta eat.
Marilyn: You had to process the chickens.
I have a cousin, and she’s my best friend, and she never helped with that. She lived in a different part of our big suburb of Black, Missouri, and she didn’t do that, and she said, “If I did that, I would never eat chicken.” But I was there in the middle of it because, number one, you can’t keep me out of stuff when you’re doing stuff. I’ve got to be in the middle of it. And number two, mom was like, “If I’m doing it, you’re doing it, so get over here.”
I remember when I got old enough to try to kill the chickens, and we always did it just by wringing their necks. I know this is just so fascinating.
Andrew: It is.
Marilyn: I remember the first time. I’m like, Okay, I can do this. And that poor chicken.
Andrew: You couldn’t do it, huh?
Marilyn: PETA would be after me big time because I tortured that chicken in every way you could torture a chicken.
Patsy: But not on purpose.
Marilyn: Not on purpose. I was just trying–
Patsy: Lack of experience.
Marilyn: And so my mom came out, and she’s like, “What are you doing?” And I’m like, “I’m trying to kill this chicken.” And she’s like, “Give me that,” and she grabs two chickens, one in each hand, and just wrings their neck.
Andrew: One time.
Marilyn: One time, yeah. And just quickly, you know, mercifully, puts the chickens out of their misery. But then I had to pluck those feathers off and then burn the baby feathers off, and the smell of burning chicken feathers is something, this many years later, I still remember–
Andrew: You can still detect it in the wind? Coming from the Ozarks.
Marilyn: Yes. But you had to do it. It’s how we lived. If we didn’t have that, we wouldn’t have meat. We couldn’t afford to go buy meat.
Andrew: There’s a certain earthiness to that too. We can kind of laugh about that, and some people can kind of be disturbed about it, but we have removed ourselves for the most part, been able to through wealth I think, so far from the process of what it is to farm and what it is to grow and prepare, literally, your own food, harvest your own food. Is there a certain connection though in that that changes your perspective about the food that’s on your table and that you eat?
Marilyn: I know it sounds really crazy, but you have these hunters that go out and sometimes, especially Native American kinds of hunters, and they will tell the animal, Thank you for your food. Your life is a noble thing that you’re doing to feed my family. And so in a way, I felt like that.
These chickens that we played with when they were little but they’ve given their lives so that we could continue to live. And so in that way, I think I appreciate that meat a little better than people who have never seen that. It’s just chicken.
Andrew: Yeah, it’s just meat.
Patsy: I think it’s the same when you buy a piece of furniture at a store compared to when you build a piece of furniture. Just the involvement changes your appreciation level. It increases it.
Marilyn: What are some of those values that you learned, experienced, exercised at your grandma’s house and on that farm that either you feel we could return to, maybe we’ve gotten a little far away from, that are helpful for our lives. That could just practically our physical lives. It could be our emotional lives, mental or spiritual lives. Is there something that comes to mind that you remember from the farm and from these experiences that you’re like, This would do us good to practice today again.
Marilyn: I think one of the things is that you don’t have to in such a hurry. And that was another thing that was told to me my entire life. “You talk too much, and you don’t have to be in such a big hurry.” But just the pace of life and the rhythm of life — the planting, the watching things grow, and the daily you have your hands in. You’re hoeing the soil, and you’re feeding the chickens. All of that. You have your hands in it, and you wait. You wait until that is ready to harvest, and you slow down, and you take a minute in your rocking chair. And then when it’s time–
Like one of the things in the book is we made hominy. You can’t pick that corn until it’s ready to pick, but when it’s ready to pick, it’s all hands on deck. I mean, everybody’s picking that corn. You’re shucking. We’d all sit in a circle in grandma’s yard on top of logs or whatever we could find, those woven lawn chairs, and you would all shuck corn just as fast as you could because that’s when you had to do it. So that everything has a time and that you don’t have to be in such a hurry is one of the things that I learned.
Another is take care of your fellow man. We were five miles down a gravel road, and you had to drive– Talk about bridges. Our bridges were underwater, concrete bridges, and so you drove through the water to get to our house, twice, two different bridges. And so you’re out in the middle of nowhere. Our nearest store was 45 minutes away. We were bussed 20 minutes to a school. So if someone’s having a hard time, there’s really– We are each other's safety net. And so one of the things is just to pay attention to what’s going on with your fellow man. How can you help? How can you reach out? What do they need? Because they were always there for you. I know that every time we had something with our family.
One of the stories in my book that kind of reminds me of this is we had storms every spring, and we’d have floods. Every spring it floods because we’re in the hills, and when the rain comes so much in the spring, there’s nowhere for it to go. So bridges would get washed out. We wouldn’t go to school for a few days. And one time it got so bad that it washed away our pigs. This story is in the book. So for us, we had one sow, and she had 10 or 11 babies. And so when that washed away, that is the meat that we’re gonna eat for the winter. That’s all of our bacon and our ham and our pork roast. It’s just washed down the river. But the funny part of the story is we got piglets back from three counties.
“Take care of your fellow man.”
Andrew: So everyone just took someone else’s as they passed by.
Marilyn: My stepdad had gone to all the feed stores and told them that we lost our sow and our pigs, and so people would show up. When the bridges got fixed, people would show up with a couple of piglets in the back of their truck and say, “I think I got your piglets.” We ended up with 14, and we didn’t lose 14.
Andrew: You had more. That’s funny your book has so many amazing quotes and some wonderful poignant scripture passages too, but one of the quotes, speaking of pigs, is “Bacon is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
Patsy: I love bacon.
Marilyn: I love bacon too.
Andrew: If you could spell out one spiritual practice that comes from the experiences that are in this book that you still inhabit, exercise, practice, encourage others to practice, what would that be?
Marilyn: I think that what I learned was don’t judge other people’s spiritual practices. I had grandparents who were my life for many years. I remember when I was 10 or 11 thinking that if my grandma or grandpa died that I would die. I mean, I just loved them that much. But they were very quiet spiritually, and I would see my grandpa, he would whittle behind the washhouse. And sometimes I’d see him out there with his Bible, and he wasn’t preaching at us, he wasn’t telling us a whole lot of things, but he was just quietly reading that Bible.
They showed God’s love through action, not through talking a lot, and so a lot of people thought that they probably weren’t real spiritual, they weren’t always in the church, they weren’t always making a raucous, but they were just spiritually strong very quietly. And it really taught me that–
Plus, my family, one side was general Baptist and one side was Pentecostal, and so you go to church at one and it’s very subdued, and you went to the other one and they were raising their hands and marching up and down. I love them both, but they were very different. And so what I really learned from that is that we all have our own relationship with God, and how we talk to him and how we practice that, and that just because I didn’t see my grandma being a leader in church doesn’t mean that she wasn’t close to God and that she wasn’t practicing things spiritually that were growing her and praying for us and watching over us.
And so a lot of that has really gone with me through my whole life. It’s try not to judge when I see someone doing something that I would never practice like that. Like those people who get up and 4 o’clock in the morning to read their Bible, that is never gonna happen in my house. We are not morning people. But I love that there are people who do that, and if that works for you, praise the Lord, I’m so happy for you. But I think because of them, I was able to have a more open mind about what it means to love God, and it’s a little different for everyone, and that’s okay.
Patsy: It’s kind of a visual of your title Come Sit a Spell. I don’t know where you’re coming from, and you have your own way of saying who God is for you, but let’s you and I sit down together and just wait upon the Lord. I love the whole invitation into your work, I love the visualization of your work, and I am going to try some of these recipes. Don’t know if I’ll do those meatloaf cupcakes.
Andrew: Yes, let’s wait on the Lord with a pineapple upside down cake.
“Let’s wait on the Lord with a pineapple upside down cake.”
Patsy: Yeah, I think that’s really important.
Andrew: I mean, we gotta end, but I noticed it was bound by string, or whatever. It’s bound to where you can open it up–
Marilyn: It’ll stay open flat.
Andrew: Use it as a recipe, and you won’t lose all your pages.
Patsy: Oh, very smart to notice that.
Andrew: Thank you very much. I’m not even a cookbook collector.
Patsy: I am.
Andrew: But you’ve thought of everything in this, and so I think people will love it. So come sit a spell with Marilyn Jansen and her new book. Thanks, Marilyn.
Pasty: Thank you, Marilyn.
Marilyn: Thank you for having me.
Patsy: Bridges is produced by my co-host, Andrew Greer.
Andrew: And co-produced by my co-host, Patsy Clairmont. Our podcast is recorded by Jesse Phillips.
Patsy: And sometimes my son, Jason Clairmont.
Andrew: At the Arcade in Franklin, Tennessee. Jesse Phillips is also our editor and mixes our show. And our theme music is written by Kyle Buchanan and yours truly, and all of the instruments of the music were played by Kyle Buchanan at Aries Lounge in Spring Hill, Tennessee. Our transcripts are provided by Rachel Worsham. Thanks, Rachel, for all your work.
Patsy: If you like what you’ve been listening to, you can help us out by leaving a five-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to our show.
Andrew: For more information about Patsy, myself, or to read transcripts and to listen to more episodes, go to bridgesshow.com.
Patsy: Catch you next time.